What is wrong with these photos?

By Porkchop
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written 11/18/05 11:47 AM, published 11/18/05 11:47 AM
Just got back from a trip out west. Had a once-in-a-lifetime chance to spend a glorious afternoon in Napa, CA. The sun was warm, the breeze was cool and conditions were ideal for photography. (Or so I thought) I got a whole bunch of so-so photos from the day. These are the best. (?)

Please critique these. Don't be gentle. I am so disappointed with the results and a squandered opportunity.

Popup LinkNapa Valley Vinyard 1 Popup LinkNapa Valley Vinyard 2

Heres one I kinda like.
Popup LinkFirst & Main

Let me have it!



 
  • I *HATE* powerlines!!! And yes, first & main is great!

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  • Me too. But without them and the power they carry, I'd have to fix cars for a living! Should I have inserted this on Q&A instead of General Photography?

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  • some novice critiques: The Napa shots...that's just tough landscape from what I can see. You've got a few different "horizon" lines that all seem to be competing with each other. Not sure what could have been done differently though...

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  • jeffrey
    4
    i liked first and main, cool shadow

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  • I know NOTHING...but it just seems to me that you weren't focusing in on anything....so many different levels and you did not "lead" our eyes to what you wanted to capture.....just my "less than novice opinion".

    - ummmm

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  • I actually think these are pretty good, but here is some feedback for what it's worth. It looks as if you were dealing with haze. That's a tough one. I'm not sure how much Haze or UV filters really help. I use them but I'm just not convinced they make a huge difference. Better quality light can help. You mentioned that you were shooting in the afternoon. The light might have much better either early in the morning or early evening/late afternoon. On the second one I think a better DOF with the foreground in focus would have been better. Including an object of interest in the foreground helps provide perspective as well. Here's another crazy thought. The gold and green colors in the second one are beautiful. Given the haze problem, maybe if you'd have given much less of the image over to the hazy sky and more over to those beautiful colors that might have worked. These are just some random ideas.

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  • pssssssst....sound like maybe Tommy knows what he is talking about?? hmmmm

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  • dmorris
    3
    I would have to agree with Tom and a couple of the others. There is, in my humble opinion, way to much going on, starting with the light. Landscapes are much better in the morning or early evening, especially when you have such bright colors on the leaves. Second is the horizons. You are shooting at a bunch of hills that come together in many different ways and it it very confusing to the eye. The second Napa Valley is much better when you only look at the top half where you can see the row lines (at least it is some sort of geometry that I can focus on). I think a better shot of number one would be to get down on the ground and shoot a row (or a diagonal). I use the UV filters and do not think that they would have offered a lot on these. One filter that might have is a polarizer (is that the right spelling? Never sure). By selectively altering the light that is being reflected to your lens, it could have given richer colors and a little more detail especially in the sky. It takes a little work to get used to it, but it is well worth the effort. There you have it. . . my $0.02 David

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  • KayN
    5
    I'll just say these are some terrific ideas....and I don't like power lines, either..... Last shot is good.

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  • lilbit
    4
    IMO I like them all, I like the different levels of horizons and the haze and the colors. But thats just my opinion.

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  • wilk
    5
    I think Beh has nailed the main problem -- there's no focal point in these photos. Sometimes, when I face this problem, I either move in closer or I find some foreground object to give the photo a greater sense of depth. And this too -- there are no squandered opportunities if they cause you to learn and grow.

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  • I like #2 much better than one. The haze problem: Try to shoot early or late in the day when the sun isn't as high. The higher the sun is the more it reflects off of partials in the air. Yes that is the cause of haze. A polarizer may have helped. Focal point: I like the rolling hills but there is no focal point. Your eye just wanders around. Try finding something to put in the foreground to frame, add depth or just be out of focus so the eye wanders back into the hills. Power lines = PITA Cure = Clone tool

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  • :o) I guess after 6 months of visiting.....maybe i have learned something?? LOL......thanks Wilk and Classy......i feel validated....

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  • Thank you all for your input. Wilk, your right, I did learn something! I feel better already.

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  • crzykty
    2
    I hate being dissapointed in pics, especially if youv'e gone somewhere special. They're not so bad though. I agree with the guys and and beh, definetly try a polarizing filter though. I like the last, great concept, and it's nice and crisp.

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  • This is purly compositional. You can put all the Haze & polriser you want on and it won't fix It. The shot does not need more contrast in fact it may have more than enough contrast and saturation. It needs composition. Your eyes see all but can also go to spots in an area in front of you but when you shoot you think you have to take all in that your eyes take in, including pure perifery. You need to find a sweet spot, what your eye & mind are able to find that makes all in front of you look great. What does the sky add to the shot? Nothing. Get rid of it. Move in closer, Use a wider angle lens. show a closer shot of the Vines with the fields as the background Or move in closer with a Telephoto and just grab a portion. Don't shoot everything your eyes can see. I am going to steel one of Peteyboy's shots and put it in here in a sec. Peteyboy's Napa Here is Peteyboy's version Napa Redo

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  • Am not one who is able to give photo advice, but sure do know how you feel--you are at this beautiful place--take a bunch of pictures--then when you actually view them you are sooooooo disapointed with the outcome-- There is a lot to see in the 2nd Naptha Valley and if it weren't for the power lines would be quite good.

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  • FranCes
    3
    Personally I liked both landscapes but as mentioned the powerlines and lighting were the obsticales for me otherwise the composition didn't bother me so much because I could grasp the entire surroundings, and my eye seemed to like the way they went....oh well thats my .02. Was a rather enlightening topic here! Glad you posted here.

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  • I enjoyed the first shot purely from the lines in the vineyard. Like Moose did in the first I may have given 1 a tighter crop to focus on the strengths of the shot without competing layers. Just be satisfied you were in Napa....lucky bastard! ;)

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