Who will be offended watching a beautiful girl pacing through a park fully nude? Nobody, I suppose. Look at her body lines and see how they build a perfect harmony with the nature. It is my understanding of art.

 Nude 1 

 Nude 2 

 Nude 3 

(Warning: This post contains nude adult images. May not be suitable for some viewers.)



 
  • MRQUACKERS
    41007

    Welcome back.

    These are all quite well taken.  I like the natural framing on the first one, and the way you used the tree for a background on the other two.  While I don't like B/W too much, in this case,it works well.

    The only other critique I have is about the posting.  I would have preferred pop-up, with a warning, instead of thumbnails.

    - A quack with an camera

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  • chef009
    2977

    Yes I agree with MrQ...YOU NEED TO USE ONLY THE POP-UP display mode with a warning for those that visit this site (families...children or just people that don't want to see a naked body)!!

    I Believe your going to get an ear full for your failure to do so......you can go in to your story and switch it around and add a warning  : I see your in Germany...I think you'll find that Americans have a different feeling about nudes in the general viewing areas, unlike Europeans

    I feel the shots as they are are well taken also...the compositions are nice and she has a fit body...all things for a nude, a plus. The main thing I don't care for besides the above statement is the use of the pubic area...art shots don't need to incorporate that element.  Good shots though.

    - Time to cook

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  • rlt4e
    13

    Chef, you sound like a moron. The human body is beautiful wherever you're from. There's no need for a warning.

    - Wash Away

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  • chef009
    2977

    4e...I tried to be mature and respectful to you ...something that seems to escape your abilities.

    Your a young man....don't be a stupid young man!

    - Time to cook

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  • gdwsr
    1707

    I agree with Chef and MrQ.  Out of consideration for those that MAY be offended or don't want children to be exposed to internet nudity just yet, they should be a popup with a warning!  As far as the photo goes, the composition and technical work is appealing.  However, after watching endless hours of "America's Next Top Model" (with my wife while I process photos), I feel a lot of work needs to be done with the model's presentation.  She has a very attractive face but I don't think the photos do her justice.  The poses are nice but looked stiff and too staged.  I don't know, give it some thought.

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  • PTL
    1487

    I too agree with Mr. Q, chef, and gdwsr, these kinds of post should come with a warning and be displayed through pop up. rlt4e, name calling is not necessary.

    - It must be a full moon.

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  • rlt4e
    13

    Don't you think that families and children are subjected to much worse with what's allowed to be aired on TV? Even in adverts. Women are still treated like objects under all of our noses, we just don't realize. This post is very refreshing compared to some new 'talent' shaking some part of her body for everyone in the world to see. 

     

    I am mature and respectful. The way you worded your first comment made you seem like an ignorant fool, and all I did was point it out.

     

    These pictures are wonderful. I love the depth and simplicity added by the black and white.

    - Wash Away

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  • PTL
    1487

    rlt4e, wouldn't it be nice if we were given the choice to make the decision about what is and what is not appropriate for our families to see or not to see? The name calling is childish crap.

    - It must be a full moon.

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  • chef009
    2977

    First you think to much of your own work. We can't control what goes on in the world here....just what goes on here. Believe it or not I don't find the human body a nasty thing...but I also don't allow my children to view mature pics...again a European mind set, or just a young mind that thinks because he's got a talent, can do what ever he wants. Well you can....but not here. I would go further with this but I can tell by your response that it would be a waste of time. Good luck.

    - Time to cook

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  • rlt4e
    13

    I'm just going to treat that question as rhetorical.

    What I'm trying to get at is that there so many influential and incredible Artistic Nude shots out there, that shouldn't be discarded because of what age you are. There are children out there with amazing talents in art, or possible talents in art, and they shouldn't be deprived of a whole world of photography because it's 'unsuitable'. The human body is one of the greatest subjects to photograph.

    - Wash Away

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  • chef009
    2977

    I didn't ever say that a nude done with taste has no place here....others might. I just said that you need to use a pop-up.... with a warning. So we could have the choice. That's one thing about respect.....give people the respect to choose. And like it was said above ....the shots are good but your posing makes her look stiff, so listen and learn....or do you know it all, all ready. In that case your in the wrong place. We're a community of photographer that share to grow....not to just pat ourselfs on our backs.

    - Time to cook

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  • rlt4e
    13

    Chef, will you stop talking about the 'European mindset', it seems incredibly ignorant, and to be honest, offensive. 

     

    From that comment, I'm getting that you do like to share photographs on this website, but not with someone who's a little different.

     

    'a young mind that thinks because he's got a talent', is that aimed at me? If so, you seem to be reinforcing some American stereotypes here. Not that I'm saying they're all true, by any means. You just seem to be, and I use this word again deliberately, ignorant. Ignorant of other people's views, and talents. That, my friend, is not the mindset to have when conversing with artists. And isn't a very good mindset to have on any occasion.

     

    Not that I'm saying I'm an artist. I'm just a beginner. But I'm being as broad as I can with my ideas and projects.

    - Wash Away

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  • chef009
    2977

    A beginner in life and manors it seems. Difference is good ....bad taste and rudeness is bad and not welcome.

    - Time to cook

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  • Anonymous User
    6

    Good God rlt4e.  READ and REREAD what Chef is saying would you!  It is not about nudity here, it is about respect of others and using popups and a warning to give people a choice to view it or not.  Geez.

    NB

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  • chef009
    2977

    4e...we have had nudes here before. But the members that posted them used a warning and set them in a pop-up mode. Get off your "I'm an artist soapbox" and think about the advise this community has already given you...it's as simple as that.

    - Time to cook

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  • Anonymous User
    6

    rlt4e has a point; the human body is beautiful, and shouldn't be deemed innapropriate, as this is hardly pornorgraphy; it is natural.

    chef also has a point; while the human body is beautiful and shouldn't be treated as tabboo, people do have sensitivities, and should have the choice of whether or not to see it.

    However, both of you are to angry to really see the point of the other, and are both dragging it down into name-calling and criticising each others work when there's utterly no need for it. Seriously? Both of you calm down.

    Chef, it doesn't matter what nationality you are. Some Europeans would be deeply mortified by this. Some Americans couldn't care less if it had a cut over it. Also, there's no need to bring rlt4e's personal life, or his work, into this. Nowhere did he say he was an artist, you are inferring that, and it's making you look bad.

    rlt4e, don't name-call. While I see your point, it's getting lost in your anger. Yes, ignorance is bad. But it goes both ways. Don't act as if you don't know that people can be offended by nudity. No, they shouldn't be. But they are. And that is why there are options to hide them. The OP probably should have used them, and if he has been here a while and knows how this site operates, then he has been a fool not to use them.

    Both of you need to stop bitching. Internet arguments just make everyone involved look like an ass.

     

    And, if anyone cares by this point, I think the pictures are simple, soft, and beautiful. She does look slightly over-posed, but I think it actually works well here. Although the OP clearly did want an argument of this type to occur; "Who will be offended watching a beautiful girl pacing through a park fully nude?"

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  • Blizzard not signed in
    6

     

     

    Yawn......to the pictures and the comments.

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  • chef009
    2977

    It's a common fact that in Europe they even put nudes on newspapers...it's a mind set they have and as a general mind set we don't ...fact. It wasn't meant as a put down ...just a fact. I asked for a simple warning and pop-up. Then I was attacked....I won't let anyone call me a moron for that...by the way Respectfully, who are you AU...you do sound like a member.

    By his own wording ... 

    "Chef, you sound like a moron. The human body is beautiful wherever you're from. There's no need for a warning."

    "This post is very refreshing compared to some new 'talent' shaking some part of her body for everyone in the world to see. "

    Am I angry....yes. I've been here for over 5 year and we have never allowed nudity on the front page without a warning....just call me old fashioned....not a moron. Please.

    - Time to cook

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  • gdwsr
    1707

    I agree with Chef totally.  Up till now I have found everybody to be quite sensitive of others concerns and have been respectful of that (some political commentary excluded).  The respect extends to warnings about snakes and spiders that some people would just as soon not want to view.  Chef, if I recall rit is an unemancipated minor that you are trying to reason with.  Enough said.

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  • MRQUACKERS
    41007

    Well, it looks like

    ragecza

    (or someone) has taken our advice and converted said pictures to popups.

    - A quack with an camera

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  • gdwsr
    1707

    Thank You

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  • Anonymous User
    6

    I'm from Europe, Chef, and it's hardly as prevelant as you seem to believe. There are page 3 girls, and such, but as far as I know, that's only trashy UK newspapers that shouldn't even be regarded as such.

    I am not a member, I just lurk here from time to time.

    And while I agree that calling you a moron was uncalled for, you did say things like "A beginner in life and manors it seems" which is bringing you down to a similar level. And I don't see how you are offended by the second thing you quoted; he has a point, this is far more respectable than supermodels with issues prancing around.

    There's a cut on them now. If I were the one arguing, I'd apologise and forget about it and hope that the other party did the same and nobody held a grudge against anybody else, although, I'm not, and I doubt it will happen. C'est la vie.

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  • ragecza
    11

    Thank you so much for your comments. I did not want to offend anyone here in the forum. Indedd: In Germany and Europe we feel free to put nude bodies onto the covers of magazines as long as it isn't a pornographic content. We strictly make a difference between pornography and art. My nudes are always artificial. They omnly want to show the beauty of the nude body, nothing else.

    - Testudo

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  • ragecza
    11

    I forgot to mention that my model was just a beginners. She poses for artificial nudes only for several months.

    (continued)...

    - Testudo

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  • chef009
    2977

    Now was that so hard?

    By the way this post was first under rlt43 , now under ragecza .... Why?

    Are you the same person? If not why did 4e post your shots? If your the same person why change your name?

    On the surface, it comes over as you have made two accounts...for 2 different reason?

    For anyone else that is bored that a person would stand up for his morals.....this will be my last comment in this thread....yeaaaaa!

    The re-post is appreciated. Thank you.

    - Time to cook

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  • ragecza
    11

    I have only one nick (ragecza) and one account, nothing more.

    - Testudo

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  • fishone0
    545

    glad you converted the pictures to pop ups. I think the pictures are too staged. Would have liked them more natural looking. I do not blame the model. The photographer should have posed her more natural

    - desert flower

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  • rlt4e
    13

    I never posted those pictures, Chef.

    - Wash Away

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  • DrZ360
    147

    I looked at this post this morning when there was only one comment, and the post was by ragecza as it is now. Chef, perhaps you got confused because they both start with R

    - Blue Hat

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  • chef009
    2977

     

    Then there must be something wrong with my cache. If I read all the way up the first post on my end is Mr.Q....then from rlt4e . ragecza only comes in after the post was changed with the WARNING..... And now both their name are still there....so am I the only one seeing that?

    I lied ..I did post again :(

    - Time to cook

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  • momof3pics
    45

    I wish to just see (Nudity) in the title just as a warning that I do not wish to see this with my children around. That would be enough for me, But it is 8:30 at night and my are all in bed so I can look.

    What I see is art but the first photo I think is too much exposed (body), I like to see a more graceful pose for the shot.

    the second She needed to look more relaxed.

    the third photo this too she needed to be more relaxed and maybe a better shot if she made eyes to the camera instead.

    Nude shots can be very favorable when the subject is relaxed in they're environment.

    But one also has to be more careful at what they post. ;)

    My personal opinion .

     

    - Beauty is all around us

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  • shoot4fun
    14

    Hey! This guy got more crap about a beautiful human body than the people that post pictures of drug abuse and cutting themselves.

     I would rather my kids see this than the drug abuse crap that alot of you said were good photos.

    - Just shoot

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  • chef009
    2977

    That's your choice shoot4fun, as long as there's a warning...adults can choose. It's a wonderful thing freedom, but it also comes with responsibilities. I personally can't remember when I commented in a positive manor to the other posts with photos that you describe. They should also have a warning. So do you disagree with warnings?

     

     

    - Time to cook

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  • shoot4fun
    14

    Chef, No I don't  disagree with warnings. I didn't see the post before it had warnings. The posts i am referring to were quite a while ago. They were digusting & not what young people need to see. Not many ( if any ) people here complained about them.

    - Just shoot

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  • Mike H
    15

    The post your referring to I believe was posted by Boy

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  • gdwsr
    1707

    I didn't read complaining about these -- just that they shouldn't be on the thumbnail.  I agree with you that I would rather see these that drug abuse and violence.  But I wouldn't want my granddaughter to see any of it here.  Besides I am a bit prudish and have a very high standard as to what I consider to be artistic of some subjects.

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  • brandee227
    44

    I've been here a long time and everyone here just wants to see great shots or learn how to take great shots, but we are all artists and all love seeing something new and fascinating.  But I do remember why I loved this site so much....the honest opinions and well manored approach the folks on here seemed to have.  I also loved the fact that this site has rules and I like most people here abide by them.  The new people coming in are privy to them as well and need to abide by them also.  If our artistic ways bore any of you new commers there are plenty of nudity and violence sites out there in cyberspace.  Just asking for a little respect to the long time members here, follow the rules, be fair and honest...just not so brutal to one another...we are all doing this for the same reasons...WE LOVE PHOTOGRAPHY!!!  SO can't we ALL just try to get along...PLEASE!!!

    - JOHN 3:16

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  • ragecza
    11

    Complaint. I will not post any nudes in future. Some people here are obsessed by pseudo moral. They seem to be a little bit uptight and callow. There is nothing offensive or scandalous in these pictures.

    - Testudo

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  • chef009
    2977

    Please listen rage..well named by the way. I never, nor did almost all the negative responses you received say that nudes didn't belong to this site. If you read the complaints they were about not posting a warning and having them out in the open in thumbnails with out the choice to open or not to open. I'm sorry you can't hear my voice because it's very calm and pleasant at this moment. Ok, I get it...your new here and you didn't know about the warnings about adult substance. That's why I and MrQ before me mentioned the problem..... it's not that I can't except tastefully done nudes....it's......now I'm boring myself blizzard...repeat, repeat.

    The biggest problem I had was the fact that another new member (rlt4e) started to defend the more European view point and personally insulted me. And I swear that his thumbnail.. (blood running down a drain). was on your opening story when I came across your post. But as soon as you re-posted your story with the changes in the warning.....the thumbnail change to what I can only guess is your original thumb (a mans face that's now a turtle). That's just what happened..I don't know why or how...but I know what I saw. So for the mix up I apologize but not for my view point.

      The fact that there's a difference in the cultural mind set between The U.S and the Europeans isn't bad ....it just is (different)....and that's what I meant by what I said " unlike Europeans". Yes we have as much porn and nudity as anyone here in the U.S.A...I wouldn't dare be proud of that for us. We do kind of have double standards here. But here (this site) we can have a hope of having a basic respect for each other. Over seas.....there's a opened attitude about public nudity in many ways. But here we (this site) just have some home rules. Anyone joining a new site or group will encounter environmental changes from what they might be used to. That's  more than likely normal.

    Warning ... this link has nudity in it

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity   go down to the public nudity section...I didn't write it...it's just the way it is.

    And by your interpretation of a request to give us a simple warning of nudity...as pseudo morals..well then I guess that's what I am. Oh and by the way...I' a bad speller too.

    - Time to cook

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  • enigmaticfaerie
    11637

    I saw this post briefly when I was on yesterday and saw how it was originally posted (I don't know if blizzard or rage changed it but Thanks).  My ONLY (and most everybody else's) concern wasn't really a lack of warning or subject matter but the presentation and lack of choice to view or not to view.  I, for one, have NO complaints about nudity (in fact, I've actually posed for TWO friends in order to get their school projects done) but where my complaint lies is I view this site mostly when I'm at work.  I have my own office and no one can really see my monitor unless they come around my desk, but it's still work and frankly I don't want to be caught with pictures of a nude woman on my monitor whether it be art or pornography.

    That being said, please don't disregard posting nudes in the future.  These were tastefully done (if a little exposed for some) and the poses were a little stiff, but they had gorgeous tones for being in b&w and are well composed.  I hope you understand that we ARE NOT in any way complaining of the subject matter but only in the PRESENTATION of the story.  I hope you'll reconsider your last statement.

     

    Now, cheffie dear this was under rage the entire time.  Don't know what you got confused about but just realize that rlt never posted these images.  Only came to their defense.

    Also Shoot4fun, Mike H is correct in referencing you to Boy's work.  Boy is one of those long lost great members (And I'll just be honest, sometimes this site is really cliquey).  He posts controversial stuff on occasions such as the referred drug abuse but they're stage shots.  And although staged shots don't really make a great defense for the subject matter, it's more of an artistic illustration than a demonstration.  If that even makes any sense... or a justifiable defense...

    - Film-Junkie 4 Life!

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  • chef009
    2977

    I know who boy is and I would actually agree with shoot4fun on some of his points. But I have also been constant in my stand on proper posting....just not with spelling.

    ............this was taken out of his post. It's what I said then.

    chef

    5

    This shot has a right to be posted, just like all of our good or bad shots do. But it should have come with a warning at least. Awhile back someone posted shots of road kill...they more than likely did it just to get a reaction from all here. But is that not what photography is about in a way? To get a reaction. I know Boys work and he is very talented, he always pushes the edge. It's up to the individual to accept what he or anyone has to say thru their shots. Pictures do mean something and some shots can hurt or do harm, just as well.... they can bring a smile to ones heart.... this does not bring a smile to my heart, and the subject matter ...for me..... over shadows by far the photography quality...I don't like it.


    And as far as being mistaken about the beginning of this post....I only stopped while going down the story page because I saw rlt4e's thumb....and I thought to myself...Lets view what this new comer has brought us today.

    Do you think it's impossible that this site could mix up information and do disappearing acts? 

    But lets say I made the mistake about who posted it....I wasn't wrong about the showing of content by using a simple warning.

    I have always rubbed this site the wrong way when it comes to a moral value...I know it's an art form and in saying that art it more often than not ...heavy with very liberal minded people....it's the arts. I am here to say that people with more conservative values can be artist too. One should not nix the other out. We can co-exist. We can enjoy each others work. I've already explained my statements from above, so I won't again. There's nothing wrong with giving a choice to view or not..........any disagreement on that would just be foolish. Like there was in boy's post that I pasted my statement from.http://www.photographica.org/story/34673/injections . It got to a point back then that instead of trying to hear what I was trying to say...people like codepoit and KwsNI would just make fun of my misspelling and turn the tables in the subject.

    - Time to cook

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  • enigmaticfaerie
    11637

    I hope you know Chef, when I posted the link to Boy's profile it was for Shoot4fun (which I originally thought gdwsr [george] had originally commented on.  Hence why my comment originally read Also Georgey Porgey.  But I've changed it to reference the last bit of my previous comment to shoot4fun).

    - Film-Junkie 4 Life!

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  • Ciotog
    6

    I am new to this site, and just wanted to thank you for the link to Boy's work.  That is an amazing portfolio and reminds me why I am a photographer.  Raw energy and imagination combine to evoke emotion.  Simply stunning. 

     

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  • Anonymous User
    6

    hmmmm ciotog....can't seem to find your username...new to the site and you've got 6 badges?  Interesting indeed.  Glad you enjoy the site.

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  • Ciotog
    6

    Hi, don't think I have registered yet.  I will do so though.  What are badges?

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  • enigmaticfaerie
    11637

    Badges are just things you earn from participating in the community.  If you look at the bottom of the page you'll see a link with more information.  While you're down there, look at the "about" section to learn more about the site.

    And to Cindy, the anonymous user has 6 badges (if you notice that your anonymous comment also has 6 badges).  Everyone who's not logged on and posts is I guess techinically signed in as the Anonymous user (despite whether you change from being AU to Ciotog or NB not signed in) and if someone posts a comment that 5 people find helpful the "anonymous user" username gets a badge.  Therefor anyone who posts while not signed in will have 6 badges (or more depending on if more anons get helpful comment badges).

    - Film-Junkie 4 Life!

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  • chef009
    2977

    we're all good here Les. Thanks

    - Time to cook

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  • ciotog
    1

    Enigmatic,
    Thank you for the information.  I will check out the links and get myself up to speed on site protocols.  I look forward to posting some images soon,

    Ciotog (for anyone curious, ciotog is Gaelic for left-handed)

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  • Anonymous User
    6

    What is the record for comments on a post? This one has to be close

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  • NatureBug
    12157

    Thanks for the info on the badges Les. I for some reason thought it was according to the IP address, my mistake.  Yes, as Chef said we are all good here.  And welcome Ciotog-see you registered :o)

    - Hi Ya!

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  • surferguy
    21787

    No...  the record far exceeds 50 comments...  and for this one it seems again to be a whole lot to do about nothing....    there are some here with a hell of a lot of time on their hands....  yep...

    - Is it Summer yet.....

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  • enigmaticfaerie
    11637

    Definitely not a record, but it did get him a badge.

     

    I thought so too, Cindy.  But a while back I realized it's tagged to username not IP addresses.

    - Film-Junkie 4 Life!

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  • ragecza
    11

    Thanks for all your comments. I have never thought that my pics would evoke such a diskussion. I shall post nudes a little more carefully in future and use pop ups instead of thumbnails.

    - Testudo

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  • Mackinawman
    195

    This must be a record number of comments!

    You certainy received  a roaring intro. to Photographica - (chuckle!)

    Now that the storm is over post often and do your duty by commenting on other members posts.

    I have to agree with the others on the in-appropriate way that you went about the post but that is water under the bridge now.

    Welcome!

    Looking forwad to future posts!

    - Michigan Redneck

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